A Question From Both Apple and Amazon: Does a Workplace Have To Be Perfect?

By Howard Mavity 

I recently blogged about the debate on CEO and employee pay ratios.

I urged employers to seize the high ground and decide what their attitude is as to their “responsibility” to their employees.

I’m a pragmatist. I believe that in the long run, employers will prosper (and avoid the need for my services) by consciously focusing on improving their employees’ lives.

I’ve made it clear that I do not believe that employers are social workers. Their role is to make money.

Competition and drive are good for society. However, just as we develop business plans and marketing strategies, we must develop plans to treat our employees “fairly.”

Fairness” is a spongey concept, and one often highjacked by unions and the government, but it is also the best determinant of employee satisfaction. The term defies the quantification that my analytical nature desires, but somehow employees recognize “fairness.”

They don’t expect the highest wages, the best benefits, the most engaging atmosphere, but they do expect to be treated fairly.  We ignore this expectation at our own peril!

Do you think about treating employees fairly?

So, what business plan have you made to ensure that employees believe that they have been treated “fairly?”  Be honest with yourself — have you even considered this question in your business plans?

I’ve been chewing on this question and the whole concept of “fairness” and its relationship to an enterprise’s success for several weeks since I criticized the Dodd-Frank requirement that publicly owned employers publicize CEO/employee pay ratios. I redoubled my analysis after I read Elon Musk’s biography and The New York Times critical article about Amazon’s treatment of its employees.

Workplace perfection is neither normal nor necessary. A common theme in biographies of guys who are changing business is that they screw up a great deal along their journey to greatness; especially in how they treat executives and employees.

Steve Jobs and Elon Musk fascinate me, especially Musk, because he wants to “make things” such as cars, rockets and energy storage systems. He ain’t your usual dotcom millionaire.

These guys were terrible bosses at many points in their journey. Many ex-employees criticize them. And yet, one gets the feeling that most of their employees and alumni are pretty proud of their tour of duty.

Good bosses sometimes were bad bosses, too

Employees don’t expect perfection and often excuse bad executive behavior because they feel that they are part of a great hunt or race. Yeah, their idol may have clay feet, but together, they are going to reshape an industry.

And these same bosses are often working the same crazy hours and holding themselves to the same ridiculous standards. They involve employees in their wild dreams and for all their tough demands, also routinely do things that suggest that they know that their employees routinely save their bacon. So employees weigh the good and the bad and decide that their clay footed idols are OK.

If we take The New York Times article on Amazon at face value, Amazon sounds like a difficult place to work. And yet, many employees and managers love their experience at Amazon and are committed to its long-term mission.

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I do not represent Amazon. I have no inside knowledge of their business practices. Many of the concerns raised by the Amazon article concern me.

But I wonder: If we polled Amazon employees and managers, would they say that Amazon treats them fairly? (See related New York Times article about Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos’ response.) When I ran cross country in the Southeast Conference, our coaches would require us to occasionally run these impossible workouts, which guaranteed that we would throw up. It was the same for my daughter, who years later ran the same workouts, although she was far more of an elite runner than me.

We didn’t mind the physical challenge, in fact, we reveled in the challenge and howled with laughter about throwing up. We were young and welcomed the challenge.

But the reason that we viewed this experience with such amusement is that our coaches never physiologically abused us. They valued us and watched out for our health, so when asked, we’d run until we puked. And, we would laugh about it afterwards.

What’s important to YOUR company – and employees?

The coaches in our respective generations demanded excellence. They expected us to give it our all. But, they never took us for granted.

I suspect that many people who came up under Steve Jobs and Elon Musk would say the same thing. It’s a badge of honor to have worked 80 hours a week and slept at work in order to create Toy Story, the iPhone, and Tesla, or to put payloads into space.

I’m not defending Amazon, Elon Musk, or Steve Jobs. They’d probably admit their clay feet. My point is that, apparently many or most of their employees have felt that they were treated fairly. So the question is “why?”

Their answers are instructive, but that’s not the important point. My point is that you, my readers, need to consider what’s important to your employees, and include this consideration in your business plan. And do critically learn from Amazon and other companies’ failings and strengths.

Who knows? Maybe someday, they’ll write a book about you.

This was originally published on Fisher & Phillips’ Workplace Safety and Health Law Blog.

Howard Mavity is a senior partner in the Atlanta office of the law firm Fisher & Phillips. He co-chairs the firm's Workplace Safety and Catastrophe Management Practice Group, and has provided counsel for over 200 occasions of union activity, guided unionized companies. In addition, he has managed almost 400 OSHA fatality cases in construction and general industry, ranging from dust explosions to building collapses, in virtually every state. Contact him at hmavity@laborlawyers.com .


2 Comments on “A Question From Both Apple and Amazon: Does a Workplace Have To Be Perfect?

  1. Impressive Article! Overall Perfect workplaces that understand the needs of their employees, make staff feel valued and also respected have greater success in retaining staff.

  2. I wrote an article in the same vein on Apple. https://staging.eremedia.com/tlnt/5-great-things-you-can-learn-by-working-for-bad-bosses/

    People screamed about Steve
    Jobs —- couldn’t see past his crappy management style. Hey — if
    people didn’t like it they could leave and many did. But others stayed
    because as tough as it was to survive Jobs, they learned a TON working
    for him.

    That doesn’t mean they were somehow psychologically damaged or
    weird. They weighed the pros and cons and decided the pain was worth
    the gain. It’s an individual decision. So give it a break folks.

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